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New Hampshire Race; Interview Along With North Carolina Congressman Mark Meadows; Trump
vs. Cruz. Aired 3-3:30p ET
Aired February 3, 2016 - 15:00 ET
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: First, we learned this morning in which Senator Rand Paul
could be dropping.
And now we possess been receiving term -- this is almost all -- according to our host John King -- that
will it is former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum that additionally will possibly be dropping out.
Watching along with waiting to see who he then throws his support behind.
Let me play you some sound truly swiftly once we wait around for you to talk with Dana Bash. Your
Woman just caught track of Marco Rubio reacting towards the Santorum news.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DANA BASH, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Rick Santorum can be going to
give up with the race. He's planning to endorse. Can Be he going to endorse you?
SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't know. I haven't spoken for you to
Rick nowadays as well as since the conclusion associated with race.
BASH: Would you prefer his endorsement?
RUBIO: Sure. I believe -- I'm a huge admirer of Rick Santorum's. I feel he's fantastic.
But just like I said, I haven't even heard these reports, so I don't even know if they're true.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BALDWIN: Almost All right. We will speak to Dana Bash here, as your woman is currently getting
reaction, as we are understanding in which Rick Santorum is likely to be dropping out.
Let me now generate Mark Meadows, North Carolina congressman supporting Ted Cruz.
So, Congressman, wonderful to determine you, sir.
REP. MARK MEADOWS (R), NORTH CAROLINA: It's excellent to determine you. Thanks therefore
much. Excellent to become using you.
BALDWIN: Great deal. Let's begin with this particular information here in which Santorum will
become the next to be able to fall. First, your response to that?
MEADOWS: Well, Senator Santorum is really a private friend, a good man.
Obviously, we now have campaigned together. He is actually somebody which I respect as well as
the vast majority of Americans respect. As Well As thus he provides elevated the debate. and
consequently I'm unhappy to determine him go. Yet once we begin to coalesce about several
candidates, it had been expected, not which he will be stepping out now, yet he's certainly an
extremely capable, articulate individual.
BALDWIN: He won Iowa, as you well know, the last go-around. He has a strong following,
specifically among the very coveted evangelical bloc.
I'm wondering if anyone from the Ted Cruz camp offers reached out to always be able to Senator
Santorum. Will Be this an endorsement you'll support?
MEADOWS: Well, it's certainly an endorsement I would support. I hope in which Senator Santorum
considers Ted Cruz.
Obviously, his or her values are usually greatly aligned, not just along with evangelicals, but with
almost all the great majority regarding grassroots, certainly inside North Carolina, where I'm from.
but through Florida to end up being able to new York in order to California, it's truly those
conservative solutions in which Americans are looking for. they want to make sure that Principal
Street can be taken treatment of, not necessarily K Street.
BALDWIN: Congressman Meadows, do me any favor, please, sir, and simply stand by.
I'm planning to pivot again for you to Dana Bash, who can in addition be standing simply by by
incorporating information from your Rand Paul campaign.
Hello, Dana Bash. Just what do you know?
BASH: Hey there, Brooke.
Well, it's kind of your wild day. I know, when you mentioned, Rick Santorum, we understand, can be
planning to drop out. and Rand Paul made it formal he is going to drop out. We haven't heard
anything concerning virtually any endorsements via both of these yet.
But on the Santorum side, we could tell you which he is planning in making an endorsement to end
up being able to one of his now former competitors. I understand that you simply played several
moments that I had together with Marco Rubio here at the big event where he was just moments
ago. He said he is unsure if he's going to get the endorsement. but he obviously wants that.
One associated with the purpose why I asked him is because the considering is it is actually likely to
be possibly Marco Rubio or perhaps Donald Trump. And, Brooke, anyone remember in Iowa the
night time which Donald Trump blew off your FOX debate right after Rick Santorum and also Mike
Huckabee went for the undercard debate, these people appeared from Donald Trump's event
regarding veterans.
So that's among the several reasons why the actual considering can be he can help you them. Along
With the other query an individual might be asking is the reason does it matter, because he didn't
really find very much support? Nevertheless look for any of these candidates, specifically someone
such as Donald Trump as well as Marco Rubio, who, anyone know, want to possess somebody who
may have credentials, especially amongst movement conservatives. That's certainly not something
which that they would flip away.
BALDWIN: OK, listen, it's a wild day. but would we have it any kind of differently, Dana Bash? This is
why we adore our jobs and covering politics. Dana, many thanks therefore much.
BASH: Yes.
BALDWIN: We heard the actual Marco Rubio sound, thanks to always be able to you.
Let me talk about Donald Trump. Donald Trump can be accusing Ted Cruz of fraud and stealing your
Iowa caucuses.
Actually, Dana, allow me to just stick with you, and also then, Congressman, I will get your current
response as well. This specific is the latest tweet from Donald Trump. "The state regarding Iowa
ought to disqualify Ted Cruz from the nearly all current election around the schedule that he
cheated. A New total fraud."
We have got now, even as follow Twitter within 2016 with these candidates, Ted Cruz offers
responded, saying, "Yet an additional #Trumpertantrum. @realDonaldTrump really angry with all
the people of Iowa. They Will really looked over his record."
Before we acquire towards the congressman, Dana, #Trumpertantrum, what's happening here?
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BASH: What's heading in here is, you are having a fight between these two guys whom we must
probably remind our viewers not really that sometime ago had this bromance.
BALDWIN: Total bromance.
BASH: they promised not to go following one another, nevertheless total bromance. That Will is
actually long, lengthy gone. they broke up and they are usually never getting back again together,
since Donald Trump, he got -- he got beaten. That's only the bottom line.
And he has been very, very contrite, really gracious the evening in the Iowa caucuses when he
became available and also spoke. but now any couple of times have got passed and the man is doing
what he features done so well in the wedding it comes that will get interest more than the past
numerous months, that is heading in Twitter and creating himself as well as creating whatever he's
talking about a part of the particular story.
I could let anyone know I was in a Cruz event this morning as well as the Cruz marketing campaign
tend to be incredibly frustrated. They Will are being tongue within cheek in their public
announcements, nevertheless they're frustrated, asking, why are they will ever to -- why will be
Donald Trump type of rule what may be the news cycle?
The response is when somebody similar to Donald Trump accuses one of his competitors involving
fraud, that is any story. and consequently he is definitely wanting to keep alive this concept that Ted
Cruz, the night time of the caucuses, sent a discover in order to his precinct captains around and the
supporters about Iowa saying that Ben Carson has been likely to give up in the race or suggesting
that will to become your case, which usually had not been true.
And so that's where this complete thing can be rooted. And Also it is not planning to go away, a
minimum of and also until the 2 of them sort of bloody along with battle it outgoing forward within
New Hampshire and also beyond.
BALDWIN: So, Dana, thank you.
Back to always be able to Congressman Meadows, a person know, who's endorsing Ted Cruz.
Dana is really a great point, in this leveling the fraud allegation will be totally severe and thus merits
information coverage. Yet then once you need the actual Ted Cruz response as well as tweet, yes,
tongue within cheek but, still, Trumper tantrum? An Individual perform difficult to serve the good
individuals involving North Carolina. This really is politics? are anyone embarrassed simply by this in
all?
MEADOWS: I mean, it's politics, but I think that it is strictly what the actual American people are
tired of. I will easily notice you, I understand Ted personally.
He's an honorable man. Certainly, when you start to see all regarding this stuff that are coming out,
we really need to alter our target back again to be able to exactly where it belongs, around the
American folks and the will with the American people. And Also yet a lot can be going back and also
forth and allegations made.
I believe it's period that people look truly for the central focus, is about national security, keeping
Americans, creating sure that they have jobs, along with making certain Primary Street is more
essential than Washington, D.C.
BALDWIN: Listen, I hear anyone loud and clear. And Which I think any great offer of Americans
would agree together along with you about individuals problems needs for you to be front along with
center.
But staying in the story, within the wake involving Iowa with that within the rear view and searching
forward for you to New Hampshire as well as the fact that although this may well not go anywhere,
Donald Trump creating points regarding those two incidents, one, the Cruz mailers, right, that will
voter violation mailer the Cruz campaign sent out, and, amount two, an individual know, the Cruz
surrogates, as Dana had been reporting, suggesting to caucus-goers Monday night that Carson
ended up being dropping out, which, by the way, Ted Cruz apologized for, this isn't heading away.
MEADOWS: Well, that's section of it. But, interestingly enough, within this new social media,
immediate message world that we are living in...
BALDWIN: That these candidates tend to be engaging in, through the way.
MEADOWS: As Well As they are. and so that will they can easily pick up any statement through CNN
or perhaps whomever it could be. It should go viral extremely quickly since it's news. Everybody
wants to beat all others towards the punch.
And, really, Senator Ted Cruz ended up being very humble, apologized with regard to that.
Certainly, wanting to verify which is a new critical element on anything that you've which is
newsworthy. Yet I would suggest this, which once we start to focus on those kinds regarding things,
apology made, hope the actual apology accepted, let's emphasis on the stuff that tend to be
important, upon how do we defeat ISIS, how will we help to make certain that moms along with dads
can place food around the table?
And this is politics as usual in which individuals are tired of both here within Washington, D.C., as
well as across the nation.
BALDWIN: Congressman Meadows, I'm becoming informed within my ear that will Senator Cruz is
actually speaking right now.
So, let's hit pause about our conversation and also let's just dip inside and require a listen from what
he provides to say.
(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: for Bernie Sanders- type socialized medicine.
Donald wants to broaden Obamacare, in order that the federal government is at cost of one's well
being treatment as well as my wellness care, is at charge involving your physician and also my
doctor.
Now, he's entitled to that view. This is a view that will would be very welcome inside the Democratic
Party. It's the view which both Hillary and Bernie Sanders support. Yet it is precisely opposite of my
view. My view is if I'm elected president, we're going to reveal each and every word involving
Obamacare.
Donald doesn't wish to discuss that will issue, doesn't want to talk about his support for eminent
domain, with regard to using private property as well as creating to become able to giant
corporations as well as casinos. So, instead, he engages inside insults.
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I consider the people are interested in substance as well as record along with a positive optimistic
vision.
BASH: Well, this range of attack, though, he could be calling a cheater, he is calling a fraud. does
this cross the actual series pertaining to you?
CRUZ: Listen, Donald's insults have more and more hysterical the greater plus more upset he gets.
Along With that's fine. He can do that. I'm not necessarily planning to reply within kind.
QUESTION: Accomplish you think they are funny?
CRUZ: I think they are very funny.
I believe Donald -- I get up each day and laugh at the latest thing Donald provides tweeted, since
he's losing it. Look, we'd like a new commander within chief, not really a Twitterer throughout chief.
We want somebody along with judgment as well as the temperament to keep this country safe.
I do not know anyone who would always be comfortable along with somebody who behaves this way
getting his finger on the button. I mean, we're liable for you to awaken one morning and also Donald
if he were president could have nuked Denmark. That's certainly not your temperament of your
leader to keep this nation safe.
We need a president whom will hold the back again of our own fighting men along with women, who
will have their back, along with is likely to be clear-eyed as well as dedicated to our enemies, upon
radical Islamic terrorists and on defeating ISIS. That's what I can do each as well as every day.
And your American people are not interested within this circus sideshow associated with insults. you
know, my girls are 5 and also 7. And I Also have got to tell you, Caroline along with Catherine are
better behaved when compared to become able to a presidential candidate who responds through
insulting everyone each day.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
QUESTION: Senator, a person condemned what the campaign do for you to Dr. Ben Carson just
prior to the Iowa caucus. Will an individual fire or even suspend any person inside your campaign
regarding creating misinformation?
CRUZ: Well, that that you mentioned isn't accurate. I didn't condemn anyone.
Listen, Ben Carson is truly a terrific man. He is actually a man associated with principle. He's a
person of character. Ben along with Candy possess become good friends. And That Will I actually
just like and also respect him. Our political team passed on a CNN information story that CNN
broke. the news story asserted Ben Carson was not continuing from Iowa to New Hampshire, he
wasn't continuing to always be able to South Carolina. Instead, he was going home to Florida. Which
was obviously a information story CNN had posted.
And our political team passed it on to our supporters. The idea was breaking information that offers
been relevant. Now, subsequent, the Carson campaign put out another statement declaring he had
certainly not been throughout fact suspending his campaign. And I Also apologized in order to Ben
with regard to our team not necessarily passing upon their subsequent clarification.
But this is not marketing campaign that scapegoats our staffers, that will holds somebody out and
fires these regarding political purpose. So, no, we aren't going to scapegoat anybody. And In Which I
would note which the news story that our passed about was accurate along with accurate. CNN
reported it. And, within fact, Ben did go to Florida rather than New Hampshire or even South
Carolina. And Also thus you have reached understand...
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: ... any dirty trick for you to mix up voters?
CRUZ: is it the dirty trick to pass through on your own own information stories? Anyone are inside
the business. Would you think it was a dirty trick if I had been forwarding upon ABC story?
(CROSSTALK)
CRUZ: Or Perhaps could it be merely a dirty trick to give in CNN stories?
QUESTION: So, you didn't clarify, so voters could are already confused.
(CROSSTALK) CRUZ: Passing on a real and accurate information story, it is in fact something which
voters discovered relevant. and I would note, listen, there exists a reasons why the actual media is
chattering with regards to this, since the media desires to stir up a new fight among Ben Carson and
also me.
I love Ben. I'm not necessarily thinking about criticizing him. I will praise Ben. I will praise his
character. That's the sole place I'm going. As Well As there is actually a reason Donald Trump really
wants to concentrate on it, because he desires a new circus sideshow and in which he understands
every 1 regarding the folks within media will happily oblige.
How about talking in regards in order to the substantive issues. An Individual want to speak
concerning one thing substantive? Let's discuss amnesty. Let's speak in regards to the proven fact
that Donald Trump supports amnesty. Now, many people are astonished at that, since they will say,
gosh, Donald uses actually harsh rhetoric upon immigration, thus he must oppose amnesty.
Well, in the wedding you listen from what Donald provides truly proposed around the presidential
trail, he has said we should deport folks here illegally, nevertheless then let them return to always
be able to this nation instantly as U.S. citizens.
I reached say, I disagree along with that. That's referred to as touchback. This can be really a
concept organization Republicans have got pushed for any extended time. and it's simply involves
flying folks here illegally back again home, permitting them to touch the ground for any second, and
then that they come back as citizens.
I'm the only real 1 on this race who has consistently opposed amnesty, consistently opposed
citizenship. and I will tell you, enabling 12 million folks here illegally become U.S. citizens, that is
the career involving Donald Trump, it is actually the place regarding Marco Rubio, as well as it's the
situation regarding Hillary Clinton, that's going to accomplish nothing for the hardworking men and
ladies of New Hampshire who are losing their jobs simply because regarding illegal immigration,
that are seeing their particular incomes driven down as well as their wages driven down because
associated with illegal immigration.
And as president, I will secure the borders and also keep this nation safe. let me say a couple of final
things.
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Number one, I consider the people of New Hampshire are eagerly awaiting what is the news
regardless regarding whether Donald will join us for that debate here in New Hampshire. He
skipped the actual Iowa debate. and he lost. And, anyone know, he was apparently fearful of Megyn
Kelly.
I have that Megyn can end up being a really frightening person as well as Donald can be apparently
a new fragile soul, where receiving difficult questions via Megyn Kelly truly might have dismayed
him.
But I feel you owe the voters the particular respect involving standing facing them. I'm waiting to
determine whether Donald will demonstrate up at the New Hampshire debate, when he...
BALDWIN: OK. Merely thus we're almost all crystal-clear here, when Senator Cruz, effortlessly due
respect, efforts to toss my network as well as CNN under the bus, let me stand up for my colleagues
along with my journalists here within terms of this CNN document which he keeps quoting which he
believes, a person know, that which in turn you in zero way stated using regard in order to Dr.
Carson's campaign along with planning to Florida.
Let me always be precise just inside case this is seen again. We reported it accurately. And Also here
are the facts. Dr. Carson's staff advised us in which he would return where anyone can Florida for
you to -- quote, unquote -- "take any breath" from the marketing campaign prior to resuming his
actions around the marketing campaign trail. that accurate document has been disseminated on
television, along with CNN digital, and which was that. Which has been that.
Congressman Meadows, allow me to just bring you back again in. Forgive me. I just -- when
somebody tries to adopt along the media along with misreport something, it will get me a bit fired
up. That Will said...
MEADOWS: Well, you've a difficult job.
And I can tell you, knowing the variety of folks inside the media, it's one thing for you to report it.
It's yet another to verify it. And, certainly, your popularity will be stellar. I feel it underscores the
actual importance, though, of of us trying to create sure that we keep the primary factor the key
thing.
And which is exactly where we discuss immigration, where we speak about national security, exactly
where we...
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: Congressman, forgive me, nevertheless I'm planning to onsite visit B.S. if I hear B.S.
Along With that was B.S.
MEADOWS: Well, I can tell you, you might be not really hearing it coming from me. Yet you just do it
and refer to it as out. I will be glad for you to respond.
BALDWIN: OK.
The Carson -- just stirring it along with Dr. Carson, it's just not accurate . And I Also just required to
go about the record stating that.
MEADOWS: Oh, no, I'm not necessarily suggesting which you had been performing that.
Listen, I know Dr. Ben Carson. I possess had a number of conversations along with him. Any
fantastic man. A New humble man. And, truly, if anyone would accept Senator Ted Cruz's apology, I
believe it could be him. As Well As thus for you to use a third individual to arrive wanting to stir it
can be troublesome.
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: However Senator Cruz is actually stating that your media is coming within along with
attempting to stir up this fight in between him and Dr. Carson, when that's just not necessarily
accurate.
MEADOWS: Well, I consider you may be reporting on a story that's on your market that, actually, the
actual causal effect, the actual genesis regarding that offers been the tweet through Donald Trump.
And so, obviously, it's news that will has in order to be reported. And, certainly, I would be, you
know, disingenuous to suggest which you must ignore it. Again, my thought is, is usually that we
make get inside touch with with what's crucial to the American people. They Will could care much
less whether or even not you've got politicians wanting to trade barbs.
They are generally accustomed to that. they want new things for America.
BALDWIN: Congressman Mark Meadows coming from North Carolina, thank you.
MEADOWS: Thank you.
BALDWIN: A Lot more about just about all involving the above next here on CNN.
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BALDWIN: OK. following Iowa, anyone may go through it within the air, a new a sensation of
desperation. Rick Santorum, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, they've almost all just dropped out now
times prior to the New Hampshire primary. Along With actually it's make-or-break time for these
organization candidate, right after Senator Marco Rubio finished a strong third in Iowa.
What kind of all-in, last-ditch, kitchen sink strategies may well give these candidates, provide these
with your edge? Jeb Bush will be betting about his mom, former first lady Barbara Bush expected to
join the woman's son on the marketing campaign trail this week. And Also just a handful of weeks
ago, the lady sent any video message to always be able to voters inside Iowa, New Hampshire, and
also South Carolina.
Let me carry in my favorite political married couple. They Will tend to be CNN political analyst and
editor within chief involving John Avlon and also Margaret Hoover, a CNN political commentator and
a Republican consultant.
Hello, you two.
MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Hi, Brooke.
JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Hey Brooke.
BALDWIN: can we just -- can we discuss one thing truly rapidly prior to we jump on as to the I
desired to get to, which is, I want -- John Avlon, for you first.
This total backwards and forwards in between Ted Cruz along with Donald Trump, you know, severe
allegations becoming leveled through Donald Trump using regard to become able to Iowa, calling it
any fraud, stating the particular election ought to be nullified. and now you've Ted Cruz essentially
responding, anyone know, which usually -- tongue in cheek. I think the particular hashtag on Twitter
has been he's using a Trumper tantrum.
John Avlon, what would you create of most this?
AVLON: Yes, well, which is actually a great range by Cruz. Anyone avoid getting do-overs inside
politics, Donald. A Person don't get in order to nullify an election. That's not truly a means to create
America great again. Nevertheless phrases don't -- usually are not significant items to Donald
Trump. We should know this by simply now. the guy operates inside a terrain associated with
complete hyperbole. Precisely what he is trying to accomplish will be begin a bit firestorm. He's
gotten Ted Cruz in order to respond.
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: ... in any kind of way with regard to an item of it because Ted Cruz apologized...
(CROSSTALK)
AVLON: No.
BALDWIN: No?
AVLON: No, certainly not from all. In Which is not the strategies by which elections work.
But it's rich to determine Ted Cruz referring to questions involving temperament along with
judgment and unreasonableness on the portion of your political figure, as they free visitor tracker
epitomizes those activities inside the U.S. Senate.
BALDWIN: OK. Ben Carson in addition utilized the F-word, being fraud, as well. Simply throwing
which out there.
Go ahead, Margaret.
HOOVER: This specific behavior simply
by Donald Trump is actually constant
with the behavior we have seen through
him around the marketing campaign
trail. Remember, he didn't similar to how
FOX Information treated him. So, he just
took his marbles and also went home and
also referred for you to as debate any
fraud along with would their own thing.
He will be essentially carrying out the
identical thing using the results from
Iowa. The Particular voters may take it
and decide what they want to accomplish
using that. I can't imagine individuals
associated with New Hampshire tend to
be heading to adopt that will type of
attitude in direction of the actual voters
of Iowa seriously. He will possess the
exact same attitude in direction of them.
BALDWIN: OK.
Back upon this whole notion regarding what these candidates, this kind of jump ball, political jump
ball, looking forward for you to New Hampshire, whatever they could do in order to type of acquire
folks to vote with regard to them.
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On Jeb Bush, beyond asking for his mom pertaining to a bit help -- and, listen, I'm exactly about
bringing mom directly into things -- super PAC supporting him, and he's wanting to edge out Marco
Rubio. Here is truly his full-page add. As Well As you see this.
In part, allow me to just make out the particular print to a person personally here. The idea says:
"Take it from the those who realize Marco along with Jeb best. Governor Bush is the leader we have
to Malik America safer, stronger along with freer."
Margaret, what do you believe works for Jeb Bush inside New Hampshire, pulling out all associated
with the stops?
HOOVER: Look, one thing I wouldn't normally do -- Barbara Bush will be beloved through the GOP
establishment. Nevertheless Bushes are not beloved simply by New Hampshire voters or perhaps
New Hampshire Republican voters even.
During the particular Iraq War, 1000s of Republicans, self-identified Republicans throughout New
Hampshire left the Republican Party along with became independents. George Bush famously lost
his primary for you to John McCain there.
Bushes truly use a very tenuous legacy within New Hampshire. Whilst everybody loves Barbara
Bush, campaigning together with Bush reminds us with the legacy in the Bushes and that he is the
third Bush president, which is frankly the greatest hit against him. Otherwise, he could be absolutely
qualified to be president with the United States.
And it's type of the shame that he is the third Bush around. But, look, at this stage inside the game,
what are usually the candidates need using six times out, they want endorsements so that they really
could earn a fresh cycle. They Will want to complete fantastic within the debate. And Also these
people need to continue another -- these people have to have got currently lived in the state around
possible.
Chris Christie and also Kasich happen to become able to be there, 60 days, 65 days, Jeb not really as
much, Marco Rubio even less, simply 22 days, according to WMUR.
BALDWIN: let me acquire to Chris Christie, John Avlon.
And we heard him just yesterday. He stored repeating over and also over, calling Marco Rubio your
boy in the bubble. Your Own wife constitutes a good point. He may be there. They're banking on a
powerful showing in New Hampshire. Exactly what does he require to do during these final days?
AVLON: Well, first involving all, the actual governors, there will probably be merely one who
emerges coming from New Hampshire.
Chris Christie provides put in the time. He can be connected. Look, he could be tough-talking, he's
blunt similar to Trump, but he's actually got comes along with an executive record in which I think
people will respond to. He shows an capability to appeal the particular aisle. His reelect did well
amongst Democrats.
And I feel the key there will be certainly actually showing a little little more coronary heart to obtain
more than your bully perception. He offers talked extremely movingly with regards to heroin
addiction as well as the role in which government needs for you to play. As Well As it's actually a
major problem inside New Hampshire along with Vermont proper now. So, I feel showing individuals
he could be tough, but additionally connect compassionately is actually a real important regarding
Chris Christie likely forward.
BALDWIN: Let's finish the trifecta around the governors. We started together with Bush, then
Christie, and also now John Kasich type of seen since the nice guy, self-described targeted web site
traffic prince of mild and hope. Yet apparently he has this darker reputation which precedes him.
John McCain apparently once cited his hair-trigger temper right after he won the governor's race.
So, I don't know.
HOOVER: John McCain citing anybody's temper, which will be a punchline inside along with
associated with itself, I think.
BALDWIN: OK. In Which said, exactly what does he do, Margaret?
(CROSSTALK)
HOOVER: Kasich, look, he has been there fighting regarding it.
I believe a new large quantity of this, Brooke, depends up about just how do they will find yourself
doing within this debate and which carries more than the particular finish line? Along With sixty
percent regarding main voters inside New Hampshire haven't made up his or her mind yet.
And it can be a state whose table will be entirely set for a Kasich or a Christie or possibly a Jeb or
even potentially the Marco. all they are capable of doing is simply seize every moment through then
through then on, coming from now on.
BALDWIN: Go ahead, John.
AVLON: Brooke, Brooke, look, the key to be able to New Hampshire is actually independents, 44 %
with the electorate. The Actual quantities get doubled over the past quarter-century.
Candidates want to be able to connect in order to voters within the middle inside New Hampshire.
This kind of is the real opportunity. This kind of is truly a fight for your center-right. And Also in
which fight is also a new fight for your soul of the Republican Party.
BALDWIN: OK. John Avlon, Margaret Hoover, thanks really much.
HOOVER: I say they only go acquire David Ortiz's endorsement. These People just want similar to -go get oneself a Red Sox, maybe Tom Brady. That's that which in turn you need.
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: Presently there a person go. We will continue to work in that. Actually, I am aware some
people with all the Red Sox. Right now there an individual go.
HOOVER: you do?
BALDWIN: Coming up next, the actual U.S. appears to be creating a new airfield for you to launch
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