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New Hampshire Race; Interview Using North Carolina Congressman Mark Meadows; Trump vs.
Cruz. Aired 3-3:30p ET
Aired February 3, 2016 - 15:00 ET
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: First, we learned this morning which Senator Rand Paul could
be dropping.
And now we're getting word -- this truly is just about all -- according to our host John King -- in which
it is former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum whom furthermore is going to be dropping out.
Watching and also waiting to determine which he then throws his assistance behind.
Let me play an individual several audio actually quickly as we wait around for you to consult with
Dana Bash. The Girl just caught up with Marco Rubio reacting towards the Santorum news.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DANA BASH, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Rick Santorum will be likely to
quit of the race. He's going to endorse. Can Be he going to endorse you?
SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't know. I haven't spoken to Rick
these days or even since the conclusion of traffic exchange sites race.
BASH: Would you prefer his endorsement?
RUBIO: Sure. I think -- I'm an enormous admirer associated with Rick Santorum's. I think he's
fantastic.
But such as I said, I haven't even heard these reports, therefore I don't even know if they're true.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BALDWIN: Just About All right. We will speak with Dana Bash here, as your woman is now getting
reaction, as we're studying that will Rick Santorum will be dropping out.
Let me now bring in Mark Meadows, North Carolina congressman supporting Ted Cruz.
So, Congressman, great to see you, sir.
REP. MARK MEADOWS (R), NORTH CAROLINA: It's fantastic to determine you. Thanks thus much.
Excellent to become using you.
BALDWIN: good deal. Let's start with this particular information here that will Santorum will be the
subsequent to fall. First, your current reaction to that?
MEADOWS: Well, Senator Santorum can become a personal friend, a great man.
Obviously, we now have campaigned together. He is actually somebody whom I respect and also the
bulk regarding Americans respect. and so he has elevated the debate. As Well As consequently I'm
unhappy to see him go. Yet once we start to coalesce about a few candidates, it absolutely was
expected, certainly not that he will be stepping out now, but he's certainly a very capable, articulate
individual.
BALDWIN: He won Iowa, when you well know, the past go-around. He features a strong following,
especially among the extremely coveted evangelical bloc.
I'm thinking if anyone from the Ted Cruz camp has reached out in order to Senator Santorum. is this
an endorsement you'll support?
MEADOWS: Well, it's certainly an endorsement I would support. I hope that Senator Santorum
considers Ted Cruz.
Obviously, their particular values are generally greatly aligned, not merely along with evangelicals,
but using the bulk of grassroots, certainly inside North Carolina, exactly where I'm from. However
coming from Florida to Ny for you to California, it's really these conservative options that will
Americans are usually searching for. That They want to produce certain that main Street will be
taken treatment of, certainly not K Street.
BALDWIN: Congressman Meadows, do me the favor, please, sir, and simply stand by.
I'm going to pivot back again in order to Dana Bash, which is also standing by by incorporating
information from your Rand Paul campaign.
Hello, Dana Bash. Exactly what would you know?
BASH: Hey there, Brooke.
Well, it's kind of a wild day. I know, as you mentioned, Rick Santorum, we understand, is actually
planning to drop out. And Also Rand Paul made it formal which he is actually planning to drop out.
We haven't heard something about any endorsements coming from either of which yet.
But about the Santorum side, we could inform you he is actually planning about generating an
endorsement to become able to one of his now former competitors. I understand that an individual
simply played a range of moments that will I had with Marco Rubio only at the wedding exactly
where he only agreed to be moments ago. He stated which he is actually not sure if he's going to
have the endorsement. Nevertheless he obviously desires that.
One regarding the reasons I requested him can be as the considering can it be can be likely to
become both Marco Rubio or Donald Trump. And, Brooke, a person remember within Iowa the night
in which Donald Trump blew off the particular FOX debate after Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee
went to the undercard debate, that they turned up from Donald Trump's event for veterans.
So that's one of your a amount of reasons why the considering can be that he may help them. And
Also one other issue you might be asking is why will it matter, as they didn't really get very much
support? but search for some of these candidates, specifically someone like Donald Trump as well as
Marco Rubio, who, you know, want to have somebody who may have credentials, especially among
movement conservatives. That's not really something that they would turn away.
BALDWIN: OK, listen, it's a wild day. but would we now have it any differently, Dana Bash? This
really is why we love our work opportunities along with covering politics. Dana, thank you
consequently much.
BASH: Yes.
BALDWIN: We heard the actual Marco Rubio sound, thanks in order to you.
Let me speak about Donald Trump. Donald Trump is actually accusing Ted Cruz associated with
fraud along with stealing the actual Iowa caucuses.
Actually, Dana, allow me to just stay with you, and then, Congressman, I will get the reaction as
well. This particular may become the most recent tweet through Donald Trump. "The state
associated with Iowa ought to disqualify Ted Cruz from the many recent election about the schedule
that he cheated. The total fraud."
We get now, once we follow Twitter in 2016 with one of these candidates, Ted Cruz provides
responded, saying, "Yet an additional #Trumpertantrum. @realDonaldTrump really angry with just
about all the people regarding Iowa. They Will truly looked over his record."
Before we get for the congressman, Dana, #Trumpertantrum, what are generally you doing here?
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BASH: What's heading upon here is, you might be having a fight among both of these guys which we
must possibly remind our viewers not actually that long ago had this bromance.
BALDWIN: Total bromance.
BASH: They Will promised not to go right after 1 another, but total bromance. that is actually long,
lengthy gone. That They broke up and therefore they are usually in simply no way obtaining back
together, since Donald Trump, he got -- he got beaten. That's only the bottom line.
And he was very, very contrite, extremely gracious the night in the Iowa caucuses when he came out
as well as spoke. Yet now a new couple of times have got passed and which he does what he features
succeeded throughout doing so well if this will come that will get attention more than days gone by
several months, which is going on Twitter as well as generating himself and creating whatever he's
discussing section of the particular story.
I can let a person know I was at a Cruz event this morning and additionally the Cruz campaign are
generally incredibly frustrated. They Will are being tongue inside cheek within their public
announcements, however they're frustrated, asking, how come these people at virtually any time to
end up being able to -- why will be Donald Trump type of rule this news cycle?
The answer is when somebody just like Donald Trump accuses certainly one of his competitors
involving fraud, which is any story. and consequently he is definitely attempting to keep alive this
idea that Ted Cruz, the night with the caucuses, sent any notice to his precinct captains around and
his supporters around Iowa saying that Ben Carson has been planning to quit in the race or even
suggesting that will being the actual case, that had not been true.
And consequently that's where this entire factor can be rooted. Along With it isn't planning to go
away, no much less than as well as until the two of them sort of bloody as well as battle it outgoing
forward inside New Hampshire along with beyond.
BALDWIN: So, Dana, thank you.
Back to become able to Congressman Meadows, an individual know, who is endorsing Ted Cruz.
Dana is truly a excellent point, within this leveling a new fraud allegation is totally serious and so
merits information coverage. However then once you need the Ted Cruz reaction and also tweet,
yes, tongue throughout cheek but, still, Trumper tantrum? you work difficult to serve the great
individuals involving North Carolina. This may be politics? Tend To Be a person embarrassed simply
by this at all?
MEADOWS: I mean, it's politics, nevertheless I feel that it is strictly what your American individuals
are fatigued of. I can inform you, I am aware Ted personally.
He's an honorable man. Certainly, while you learn to notice just about all of these things that are
coming out, we really have to change our target again for you to where it belongs, around the
American individuals and the will in the American people. and yet so much can be going back and
also forth and also allegations made.
I consider it's period that people look truly to the central focus, is almost all about national security,
trying for you to keep Americans, generating sure that they've jobs, as well as generating sure that
Principal Street is more important as compared to Washington, D.C.
BALDWIN: Listen, I hear you loud as well as clear. And I Also think a lot of Americans would agree
with you on individuals concerns should be front along with center.
But staying inside the story, in the wake regarding Iowa with this inside the rear view and searching
in advance for you to New Hampshire as well as the fact that even though this might not go
anywhere, Donald Trump creating factors about those two incidents, one, the Cruz mailers, right,
which voter violation mailer that the Cruz marketing campaign sent out, and, number two, you
know, the Cruz surrogates, as Dana ended up being reporting, suggesting to end up being able to
caucus-goers Monday night that Carson ended up being dropping out, which, by the way, Ted Cruz
apologized for, this isn't going away.
MEADOWS: Well, that's part of it. But, interestingly enough, within this new social media,
immediate message world that people stay in...
BALDWIN: Which In Turn these candidates tend to be engaging in, from the way.
MEADOWS: and that they are. As Well As so that they really can easily pick up a report via CNN as
well as whomever it may be. It moves viral very rapidly simply because it's news. Everybody wants
to obtain over everybody else to the punch.
And, really, Senator Ted Cruz ended up being really humble, apologized regarding that. Certainly,
wanting to verify which is any critical component on something that you have which is newsworthy.
Yet I would suggest this, that when we begin to focus on these kinds regarding things, apology
made, hope the actual apology accepted, let's concentrate about the items that are generally
important, upon how do we defeat ISIS, how will we create certain moms along with dads can put
food on the table?
And this truly is politics as usual in which people are sick and also tired of each here inside
Washington, D.C., as well as across the nation.
BALDWIN: Congressman Meadows, I'm getting advised within my ear that Senator Cruz is really
speaking proper now.
So, let's hit pause on our conversation and let's just dip in and also require a listen from what he
provides for you to say.
(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: for Bernie Sanders- type socialized medicine.
Donald really desires to expand Obamacare, in order that the government is at cost of your health
care and my health care, is at charge associated with your doctor as well as my doctor.
Now, he's entitled to that view. It can be a view which will be really welcome in the Democratic
Party. It's any view which each Hillary as well as Bernie Sanders support. However it is precisely
opposite of my view. My view can be if I'm elected president, we're going to reveal each phrase
involving Obamacare.
Donald doesn't want to talk about which issue, doesn't wish to talk about his assistance pertaining to
eminent domain, regarding taking private property and passing on for you to giant corporations
along with casinos. So, instead, he engages in insults.
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I consider the people are interested in substance and also record along with a positive optimistic
vision.
BASH: Well, this line of attack, though, he could be calling a cheater, he could be calling that anyone
simply fraud. Really Does this cross the collection with regard to you?
CRUZ: Listen, Donald's insults have more and more hysterical the greater and more upset he gets.
As Well As that's fine. He can do that. I'm not really going to react in kind.
QUESTION: Perform you imagine they are funny?
CRUZ: I think that they are very funny.
I believe Donald -- I awaken each day as well as laugh in the most recent thing Donald features
tweeted, because he's losing it. Look, we want the commander inside chief, not just a Twitterer
inside chief. We want someone with judgment and in addition the temperament to assist keep this
nation safe.
I do not really know anybody who'd become comfy together with someone who behaves by carrying
out this getting his finger about the button. I mean, we're liable for you to get up one morning as
well as Donald if he were president could have nuked Denmark. That's certainly not your
temperament of the leader to maintain this nation safe.
We require a president whom will hold the back in our fighting men and women, who will get their
back, and also will probably be clear-eyed along with centered on our enemies, upon radical Islamic
terrorists and furthermore on defeating ISIS. That's what I is going to do every day.
And the American people are not necessarily interested on this circus sideshow of insults. you know,
my girls are 5 and also 7. And I Also have got reached tell you, Caroline and Catherine are usually
far better behaved than a presidential candidate which responds by insulting everybody every day.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
QUESTION: Senator, anyone condemned what the campaign did in order to Dr. Ben Carson just
before the Iowa caucus. Will an individual fire or suspend anyone in your campaign for producing
misinformation?
CRUZ: Well, what you stated isn't accurate. I didn't condemn anyone.
Listen, Ben Carson is a terrific man. He can end up being a man associated with principle. He's a
person involving character. Ben as well as Candy have got become good friends. And I Also really
like and respect him. Our political team passed on a CNN news story which CNN broke. The
Particular news story said that Ben Carson had certainly not been continuing through Iowa onto
New Hampshire, he wasn't continuing to South Carolina. Instead, he had been going where anyone
can Florida. that would become a news story CNN had posted.
And our political team passed it to our supporters. The idea was breaking news which was relevant.
Now, subsequent, the particular Carson campaign place out another statement stating which he
wasn't in fact suspending his campaign. And Which I apologized to Ben regarding our team certainly
not passing upon his or her subsequent clarification.
But this can be merely not campaign that scapegoats our staffers, in which holds someone out along
with fires all of them with regard to political purpose. So, no, we are truly not likely to scapegoat
anybody. And In Which I would note that will what may be the news story that our passed upon had
been correct as well as accurate. CNN reported it. And, throughout fact, Ben does visit Florida as
opposed to New Hampshire or South Carolina. As Well As therefore you have reached understand...
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: ... any dirty trick to become able to befuddle voters?
CRUZ: is it a dirty trick to pass through on the own news stories? you tend to be in the business.
Would you believe it had been a new dirty trick if I was forwarding in ABC story?
(CROSSTALK)
CRUZ: or could it be merely a dirty trick to pass through upon CNN stories?
QUESTION: So, an individual didn't clarify, so voters could happen for you to be confused.
(CROSSTALK) CRUZ: Passing about a real and accurate news story, it is within fact a factor that
voters located relevant. And That Will I would note, listen, there exists a reason the actual media is
actually chattering concerning this, as the media really desires to stir up a fight among Ben Carson
as well as me.
I adore Ben. I'm not really considering criticizing him. I will praise Ben. I will praise his character.
That's the only place I'm going. As Well As there's a reason why Donald Trump desires to
concentrate on it, while he wants the circus sideshow and which he understands every one
regarding the folks in media will happily oblige.
How concerning talking about the substantive issues. An Individual want to chat concerning some
thing substantive? Let's speak about amnesty. Let's speak in regards to the fact that Donald Trump
supports amnesty. Now, some people are generally astonished at that, simply because these people
say, gosh, Donald utilizes truly harsh rhetoric in immigration, consequently he must oppose
amnesty.
Well, in the big event you listen as to always be able to the Donald has truly proposed about the
presidential trail, he provides stated we ought to deport people here illegally, but then let them
return in order to this country immediately as U.S. citizens.
I have got to say, I disagree using that. That's referred in order to as touchback. It is actually
actually a concept business Republicans have got pushed for any lengthy time. Along With it's
merely involves flying people here illegally again home, allowing them to touch the floor to find a
second, after which they return as citizens.
I'm the simply real 1 within this race that has consistently opposed amnesty, consistently opposed
citizenship. And that I will tell you, letting 12 million people here illegally become U.S. citizens,
which can be the positioning of Donald Trump, oahu will be the place of Marco Rubio, as well as it's
the place of Hillary Clinton, that's likely to accomplish absolutely nothing for that hardworking men
and a amount of women regarding New Hampshire who are losing their work opportunities since
regarding illegal immigration, that are seeing their particular incomes driven down and their wages
driven down because involving illegal immigration.
And as president, I will secure the borders and also keep this country safe. Allow me say two final
things.
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Number one, I consider individuals associated with New Hampshire tend to be eagerly awaiting this
news whether Donald will be part of us for your debate here throughout New Hampshire. He
skipped the Iowa debate. As Well As he lost. And, anyone know, he was apparently fearful of Megyn
Kelly.
I obtain that Megyn can become a really frightening individual as well as Donald is apparently a new
fragile soul, where getting difficult concerns from Megyn Kelly really might have dismayed him.
But I feel anyone owe the actual voters the particular respect involving standing before them. I'm
waiting to determine whether as well as not Donald will demonstrate up in the New Hampshire
debate, so when he...
BALDWIN: OK. Merely consequently we're just about all crystal-clear here, when Senator Cruz, with
all due
respect, efforts to throw my network along with CNN below your bus, let me operate for my
colleagues as well as my journalists here inside regards to this CNN statement which he keeps
quoting that he believes, anyone know, that which in turn you never stated along with regard to Dr.
Carson's campaign along with planning to Florida.
Let me end up being precise just within case this really is seen again. We reported it accurately. And
Also here would end up being the facts. Dr. Carson's staff told us in which however return the
location in order to find Florida to be able to -- quote, unquote -- "take a breath" from your campaign
before resuming his activities around the marketing campaign trail. Which accurate document has
been disseminated upon television, and CNN digital, along with that provides been that. that was
that.
Congressman Meadows, let me just carry an individual back again in. Forgive me. I just -- when
somebody tries to take down the media and also misreport something, it will get me a bit fired up. In
Which said...
MEADOWS: Well, you've a tough job.
And I can inform you, knowing the number of people inside the media, it's something to always be
able to document it. It's another in order to verify it. And, certainly, the status will be stellar. I
consider it underscores the particular importance, though, of all people seeking to create sure that
we keep your major factor the main thing.
And which is exactly where we discuss immigration, exactly where we speak about national security,
exactly where we...
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: Congressman, forgive me, nevertheless I'm planning to onsite visit B.S. if I hear B.S. and
that features been B.S.
MEADOWS: Well, I can inform you, you are not necessarily hearing it through me. Nevertheless a
person go ahead along with think associated with it as out. I will probably be glad for you to
respond.
BALDWIN: OK.
The Carson -- just stirring it with Dr. Carson, it's just not necessarily accurate . And I Also just
required to go on the record declaring that.
MEADOWS: Oh, no, I'm not really suggesting that a person simply had been performing that.
Listen, I know Dr. Ben Carson. I have were built along with a number of conversations along with
him. The wonderful man. A New humble man. And, truly, if anybody would accept Senator Ted
Cruz's apology, I believe it could be him. and consequently in order to possess a third person
arriving trying to stir up is actually troublesome.
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: Yet Senator Cruz will be saying that your media is arriving inside along with attempting
to stir up this fight among him along with Dr. Carson, when that's just certainly not accurate.
MEADOWS: Well, I feel you are reporting on a story that's on the actual market that, actually, the
actual causal effect, the particular genesis involving that provides been a new tweet simply by
Donald Trump.
And so, obviously, it's news which should be reported. And, certainly, I would be, a person know,
disingenuous to suggest which you should ignore it. Again, my thought is, is usually that we make
contact with what's important towards the American people. That They could treatment less
regardless associated with whether you've got politicians wanting to trade barbs.
They are generally utilized to that. That They want new things with regard to America.
BALDWIN: Congressman Mark Meadows via North Carolina, thank you.
MEADOWS: Thank you.
BALDWIN: A Lot read much more about just about all regarding the above mentioned next here in
CNN.
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BALDWIN: OK. following Iowa, anyone can experience it in the air, a new a feeling of desperation.
Rick Santorum, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, they've almost all just dropped out now times ahead
associated with the New Hampshire primary. Along With really it's make-or-break moment
pertaining to these business candidate, after Senator Marco Rubio finished the solid third within
Iowa.
What type of all-in, last-ditch, kitchen sink strategies might give these candidates, provide these
people with the actual edge? Jeb Bush is betting on his mom, former initial lady Barbara Bush
expected to join the girl son on the campaign trail this week. And Also merely a couple of weeks ago,
the lady sent a new video message in order to voters within Iowa, New Hampshire, and South
Carolina.
Let me carry within my favorite political married couple. They Will are usually CNN political analyst
and also editor inside chief of John Avlon and Margaret Hoover, a new CNN political commentator
and a Republican consultant.
Hello, a person two.
MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Hi, Brooke.
JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Hey Brooke.
BALDWIN: can we simply -- are we in the position to speak about something really quickly just
before we jump on as for you to the I wished to find to, which in turn is, I want -- John Avlon, to you
first.
This complete backwards and also forwards between Ted Cruz as well as Donald Trump, an
individual know, serious allegations getting leveled by simply Donald Trump together with regard in
order to Iowa, calling it a new fraud, declaring your election needs to always be able to be nullified.
Along With now you have Ted Cruz essentially responding, an individual know, which -- tongue in
cheek. I think the hashtag on Twitter ended up being he's using a Trumper tantrum.
John Avlon, what do you help to make of most this?
AVLON: Yes, well, that's a good range by simply Cruz. you avoid getting do-overs within politics,
Donald. A Person don't get for you to nullify an election. That's not really a approach to produce
America great again. However words don't -- are not serious items to Donald Trump. We ought to
always be able to know this simply by now. Your guy operates in a territory of total hyperbole. Just
what he is attempting to complete will be commence a bit firestorm. He's gotten Ted Cruz to
respond.
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: ... at all using regard in order to an item of it simply because Ted Cruz apologized...
(CROSSTALK)
AVLON: No.
BALDWIN: No?
AVLON: No, not really in all. That Will is not the means by which elections work.
But it is rich to see Ted Cruz discussing concerns regarding temperament and also judgment and
also unreasonableness about the part of a political figure, while he epitomizes those ideas within the
U.S. Senate.
BALDWIN: OK. Ben Carson also used your F-word, being fraud, as well. Merely throwing in which
out there.
Go ahead, Margaret.
HOOVER: This specific behavior by simply Donald Trump can be constant using the behavior we now
have seen through him around the campaign trail. Remember, he didn't just like how FOX news
treated him. So, he just took his marbles and went residence and referred to become able to as
debate the fraud and also does their own thing.
He is essentially carrying out the same thing with all the is a result of Iowa. The Particular voters
may take it and decide what they want to do together with that. I can't imagine people regarding
New Hampshire are usually going to consider which sort of attitude in direction of the actual voters
associated with Iowa seriously. He will possess the identical attitude in direction of them.
BALDWIN: OK.
Back upon this whole notion involving what these candidates, this type of jump ball, political leap
ball, seeking forward in order to New Hampshire, the items they may do throughout order to type of
get folks in order to vote with regard to them.
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On Jeb Bush, beyond asking for his mother for just the little assist -- and, listen, I'm exactly about
bringing mother in to issues -- super PAC supporting him, and also he's wanting to edge out Marco
Rubio. Here can be really his full-page add. As Well As the thing is this.
In part, let me just make out the actual print to you here. This says: "Take it from your those who
understand Marco along with Jeb best. Governor Bush is the leader we need to Malik America safer,
stronger and also freer."
Margaret, what do you think will work with regard to Jeb Bush throughout New Hampshire, pulling
out all involving the stops?
HOOVER: Look, a very important factor I would not do -- Barbara Bush will be beloved through the
GOP establishment. However Bushes usually are not beloved by simply New Hampshire voters as
well as New Hampshire Republican voters even.
During the actual Iraq War, thousands of Republicans, self-identified Republicans throughout New
Hampshire left the particular Republican Party and became independents. George Bush famously
lost his primary in order to John McCain there.
Bushes really have a extremely tenuous legacy throughout New Hampshire. while everybody loves
Barbara Bush, campaigning using Bush reminds us with the legacy of the Bushes as well as which he
will end up being the third Bush president, which could be frankly the biggest hit against him.
Otherwise, he's absolutely qualified to be president with the United States.
And it really is type of a shame that he will be the third Bush around. But, look, at this stage in the
game, what the candidates require along with six days out, they need endorsements so they will
really can get a new cycle. That They want to complete fantastic inside the debate. And Also that
they need to carry on the other -- that they need to get previously lived in the state around possible.
Chris Christie as well as Kasich are already there, 60 days, 65 days, Jeb not as much, Marco Rubio
even less, just 22 days, according to WMUR.
BALDWIN: let me acquire for you to Chris Christie, John Avlon.
And we heard him just yesterday. He held repeating over along with over, calling Marco Rubio the
boy in the bubble. The wife makes a excellent point. He may be there. They're banking about a
strong showing inside New Hampshire. Precisely what will he require to accomplish during these
final days?
AVLON: Well, initial involving all, the particular governors, there will probably be simply one who
emerges coming from New Hampshire.
Chris Christie features put in the time. He is connected. Look, he could be tough-talking, he's blunt
such as Trump, however he's truly got comes with an executive record in which I feel individuals will
react to. He shows an ability to appeal the aisle. His reelect does perfectly amongst Democrats.
And I feel the key there is actually certainly actually showing a little little more heart to get more
than the actual bully perception. He has talked very movingly concerning heroin addiction and the
role that government requirements to be able to play. and it's a main issue within New Hampshire as
well as Vermont right now. So, I believe showing as traffic exchange people he can be tough, but
also connect compassionately is a real crucial for Chris Christie heading forward.
BALDWIN: Let's finish the particular trifecta around the governors. We began using Bush, then
Christie, and now John Kasich kind of seen as the nice guy, self-described prince of light along with
hope. However apparently he provides this darker popularity which precedes him. John McCain
apparently when cited his hair-trigger temper right after he won the particular governor's race.
So, I don't know.
HOOVER: John McCain citing anybody's temper, which is a punchline throughout and involving
itself, I think.
BALDWIN: OK. that said, precisely what does he do, Margaret?
(CROSSTALK)
HOOVER: Kasich, look, he has been there fighting with regard to it.
I believe the large amount of this, Brooke, depends up about how can they will find yourself doing
within this debate and who carries more than the actual finish line? and 0.6 of main voters within
New Hampshire haven't composed their particular mind yet.
And it is truly a state whose table is actually completely set for any Kasich or even a Christie or even
a Jeb or potentially the Marco. Almost All these people can perform is merely seize each as well as
every moment from then from then on, from now on.
BALDWIN: Go ahead, John.
AVLON: Brooke, Brooke, look, the primary element in order to New Hampshire can be independents,
44 % in the electorate. the numbers have doubled more than the final quarter-century.
Candidates require to be capable of connect in order to voters in the middle inside New Hampshire.
This may be the real opportunity. This kind of can become a fight for the center-right. As Well As
that fight can be a new fight for your soul of the Republican Party.
BALDWIN: OK. John Avlon, Margaret Hoover, thank you really much.
HOOVER: I say they just go acquire David Ortiz's endorsement. These People just want similar to -go get your self a Red Sox, maybe Tom Brady. That's everything you need.
(CROSSTALK)
BALDWIN: There anyone go. We will still work in that. Actually, I understand many people with the
Red Sox. Presently there anyone go.
HOOVER: you do?
BALDWIN: Coming up next, the actual U.S. appears to be building a fresh airfield in order to launch
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